39.4% of International Students in Germany Faced Discrimination

According to survey done by SVR 39.4% of international students in Germany surveyed by the Expert Council of German Foundations on Integration and Migration (SVR) said they had encountered discrimination.

That’s about 4 in 10 international students facing discrimination.

Of the five countries surveyed,

Education in Germany is Free or Cheap, but you might run into situations where you could be face some form of discrimination.

However, while 4 out of 5 international students wanted to stay, live and work in Germany after graduation. Rest of the students return home.

Why students return home after studying in Germany?

Many students find it difficult to understand the complex immigration rules ( changes are coming soon) and 39.4% reported discrimination.

If similar survey is  conducted in USA, discrimination numbers will be less than 39%.

Recently we discussed about Where to study with admission from USA, UK and Germany.

In-spite of the survey result, quality of education is good in Germany.

As per the survey, if you plan to live longer period of time after completing Higher Education Abroad, as of now, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand looks to be more attractive option.

From Immigration point of view, Australia and New Zealand will be the best option.

Would You Go to Germany?

Based on the above survey, would you go to Germany for Higher Education?

Update 1

I have listed the link to the survey and mere reporting the result of Survey published by German Organization.

Refer to the following table for those who overlooked the survey.

Students Germany UK France

 

40 Comments

  1. Naveen on December 10, 2017 at 2:44 AM

    Ms in civil engineering in Germany is better option

  2. ashok on April 23, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    hello,
    Im a civil engineering student planning my masters in germany. could u help me in suggesting some 5 universities fitting me.My acdemics are 75% with IELTS 6..
    plz give me list of 5 universities matching this profile.

  3. ansar on May 22, 2012 at 5:34 AM

    hi, to all of you , i have got admission in bologna university , but i am intended to go netherland or germany because italy has high unemployment ratio…….so that,s why ……..any body could tell me about how can i transfer my credit hours from bologna university to itlay. and if my visa is issued on italy how can i get german study visa from italy on pakistani passport.

  4. Draconian Devil on May 13, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    My query goes out to HSB and all bloggers who are currently associated with Germany as a student or for work….
    1. I have applied to 5 German Universities for Winter 2012 , mainly because education was cheap there and last year some of my college mates with similar or lesser profile had got admits from German Reputed Institutes. I have a work ex of 3 years in ALSTOM after completing B.E Electrical from Jadavpur University, Kolkata. But till date only one of the 5 has given me an admit while the other 4 have neither said yes nor no… I am a bit concerned about whether I will be able to complete the formalities within time.. can anyone tell me the expected date to receive the communications from German Institutes?
    2. What are the processes of getting a stay visa after completing Masters from Germany? Since I will be taking some loan, I wish to work and make up for it by staying a few years abroad.
    3. If I study in Germany what are the possibilities for me to get a Job in other EEU countries. Since Education in UK, Canada or New Zealand, etc is a bit on the higher side. I haven’t applied there, in spite of they are English speaking countries. Can I apply for Job there after completing the Masters from Germany. If so what are the processes to do so, since I will be applying as an immigrant employee…
    Please give your valuable feedback…
    This is my first blog in HSB, so pardon any goof-ups…

    • HSB on May 13, 2012 at 1:32 AM

      What kind of name is this, you could have atleast used DD or other nick name?

      • Draconian Devil on May 13, 2012 at 1:42 AM

        but if i had used DD … people would have thought I am Dexter’s Sister… 😮

  5. munna on May 12, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    Great to see so many students going to Germany. Germany has a robust economy even in this recession. Its a new avenue especially for those students not interested in australia, UK, USA. I hope HSB includes more articles on study process, visas, scholarships, language requirement etc. Is GRE, TOEFL, IELTS score valid there or some other exams are there for Germany? Do we need a certificate course in German Language? Are there any agencies like IDP for australia which guides students for admission in Germany? How much is tuition / fees in universities there?

    • HSB on May 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM

      I’m already working on it. Going to meet representatives from universities within Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria in 3 weeks.

    • unstuck on March 13, 2013 at 11:49 PM

      There is maxmweller Bhavan @ Bangalore and daad regional offices they will guide you on language and other study related queries

  6. Kings on May 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Can any one tell me about studying in Australia.

  7. Frimpong on May 11, 2012 at 6:36 AM

    Thank you Guys, I will be starting my masters this winter in offenburg (CME) and your comments are really reassuring.Thumbs up for German Higher education if all that you are saying are true.I Just can’t wait to start.

  8. Gowtham on May 10, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Post the discrimination levels in USA too. Then we will look upon Germany.

  9. mayank soni on May 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM

    oh come on now u are being ridiculous and partisan…if you leave your home country,you are bound to face discrimination at some point.
    Bolstering U.S education is okay but belittling all other countries is not correct.
    Please HSB don’t be subjective in your approach.

  10. Dhinesh on May 10, 2012 at 8:04 AM

    Good news for students, scientists, and researchers interested in studying and working in Germany

    http://mobile.young-germany.de/index.php?id=1624&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=3491&cHash=b11cdd7f288a5fdb3ba41d0e65776bee

    • HSB on May 10, 2012 at 10:07 AM

      Dude I gave the source of the survey. Refer to that. Article is based on survey.

      • ganesh kashyap on May 11, 2012 at 11:36 PM

        wat r chances survey is not tampered or not changed within…………………..

        • HSB on May 12, 2012 at 12:11 AM

          From what I understand this survey was used by German govt to change the immigration law. I don’t live in Germany to know the influence of the organization who did the survey.

  11. Dhinesh on May 10, 2012 at 8:02 AM

    HSB great marketing technique to boost up American Uni intake and your blog. Please see this link…

    Good news for students, scientists, and researchers interested in studying and working in Germany

    http://mobile.young-germany.de/index.php?id=1624&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=3491&cHash=b11cdd7f288a5fdb3ba41d0e65776bee

    HSB comments:

    “Many students find it difficult to understand the complex immigration rules ( changes are coming soon)”

    where you find the so called “complex immigration rules” that too changes are coming soon for Germany. 😉

    Don’t give irrelevent comments regarding Higher education in other countries. People not just following your blog alone in the world…

    Better luck next time to mystify Other Countries Education system…….

  12. siva7891 on May 10, 2012 at 5:59 AM

    @HSB Seems like you have created separate category named “Study in Germany”. Good Job!!!

    Regards,
    Siva Kumar

  13. Mridusmita on May 10, 2012 at 4:32 AM

    I am pursuing my Masters in Automation Engineering in University of Bremen which is in the north of Germany. I would really like to know from the blogger where did he find such ridiculous surveys and what is the point of posting it on HSB. I follow HSB eagerly and posting such unauthentic figures would really affect the mindset of students back in India who are planning to come abroad.
    Well commenting on this post, “German education is free or cheap”: this very sentence proves that German universities do not discriminate between their own students and international students. Because in any other country be it USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, UK etc. the fee for international students is three times the fee for home students. This means that a student who was born in Germany, whose parents are citizens and have contributed to the growth and development of the country and a student who does not even know to speak the language and is a complete stranger to their country will pay the same fee and get the same quality of education in Deutschland. Dont you think this is reason enough to think they are not discriminating.
    I landed here last month without knowing a single word of German and had 53 kg of luggage. Do you think it would be possible for me to survive if people here were not kind to me. In fact many people went out of their way to help. They carried my bags and tried to speak in English in their own country Deutschland just to help a foreigner like me. You will not find such things in India. Leave alone helping foreigners, people from one state discriminate against people from other states just because they do not know their regional language. I lived away from my hometown in another state and believe me I have faced more discrimination than ever. If you are in Germany and you are facing discrimination because you are not as humble, as polite and as well mannered as them then you might as well get discriminated.

    • Sreyasi on May 11, 2012 at 1:13 AM

      Mridusmita,
      That was a huge boost. Thanks! 🙂

    • KK on May 11, 2012 at 6:12 AM

      Well said Mridusmita. HSB is digging its own grave by providing incorrect and biased information blinded by its greed to make quick bucks by sensationalizing the blog to drive traffic. Your shortsightedness may just prove to be your undoing, HSB.

      • HSB on May 11, 2012 at 9:43 AM

        @KK did you read the actual survey published by Organization based in Germany. I just reporting what in the survey. For folks like you who think its biased and probably didn’t care to look at the survey, I have pasted the screenshot of the report. If you think its biases, then you should be arguing against the Germany organization and students who took part in the survey.

        Now – Can you explain how HSB is digging the grave by reporting what was reported by an International Organization based in Germany?

    • ganesh kashyap on May 11, 2012 at 11:40 PM

      u say ppl helped u….but u gav oly one example just blog few more examples so ppl knw others r not wat dey imagined…..oh uh in India we help others n treat our guests with goodness hav u heard “attithi devo bhava”…means guest is god…..

    • prabhjeet on May 13, 2012 at 4:45 AM

      ……..so trueee
      Mridusmita…..

    • Shinoy on August 24, 2012 at 7:16 PM

      @mridusmita
      good to know that the people in Bremen are really helpful.

      Totally out of context question. I have applied to Universitat Bremen day before yesterday for masters in “Information and Automation Engineering” for the summer term. I would like to know when the officials usually notify us about the admission? As in after the deadline how long will it take?
      I did my B.E in Mechatronics from Manipal University. I managed only to get 6.32 CGPA . My project was manufacturing a robotic arm . My toefl score is 99. GRE verbal is 145, analytical is 156, writing 3.5.
      I know i am ambitious but again thats why i want to study more about automation and robotics. i wanted to know whether the University considers applicants with such scores?

  14. Rekha on May 10, 2012 at 3:09 AM

    I would like to thank everyone who has posted a comment here.. Really thank you.. I am planning to travel for studies this winter to Germany. I have a US admit also, but chose Germany over US. This helped me to be more sure

  15. raj thakur on May 10, 2012 at 3:06 AM

    I want to say thanks to hsb for including information regarding other countries also . And I request everyone who is commenting on this post to comment only if you have been to Germany don’t comment by just simply listening from so and so person or from so and so relatives . Because what we usually hear from so and so people is just half truth. SORRY to every one if any ones feeling is being hurt by this or after reading this comment will . . First thing to make it clear for every one here , Whatever iam posting here is based on my personal experience and also from the experience of my room mates and many other peoples . I can even provide you contact information of people to prove my point of view .
    Now before coming to my experience in Germany I want to share few info regarding me . I have done my mechanical engineering from india in 2008 . During my engineering days all of my friends applied to u.s , u.k and many of them left the country since most of them thought that there is very less scope for mechanical in india , (now I know everyone reading this comment will be very happy to argue or start fighting regarding scope of mechanical in india ….please guys if your thinking then don’t please because my intention here is not to compare scope of mechanical in india ..the notion of my friends was that the salary range for any mechanical person here in india will be initially very less around max 18.5k for freshers according to what I got and many of my friends got even 12k and less than that also ) . Even I thought of doing masters in u.s then I backed out my plan because of my father’s health . I thought to do masters after he recovers . And in mean time I collected and dreamed about all countries starting from u.s , u.k , Germany he he he he . But luckily after few months of my engineering I landed up in a job in a reputed firm in india as a cae/fea analyst . They paid me around 18.5k per month and I got very excited since among my friends iam one of the person who got good pay he he he in mechanical field he he he .
    Initially I enjoyed my work a lot . I like my work a lot . Because my plan was that I will work for few months here and then plan to do masters in any country mostly u.s or u.k since I have many friends there he he he. But slowly my work got hectic and from my mind everything regarding masters was gone .Now the next way to go to any country without doing masters is by going onsite ( after few years of experience reputed companies send there employees to work onsite he he he …good way to make quick bucks he he he ) . I started planning to go to onsite he he he .Because this looked golden chance for me to enter in Germany( PARADISE FOR MECHANICAL AND AUTOMOTIVE PEOPLE AS I HEARD FROM FIRST DAY OF ENGINEEING HE HE HE). I was working for almost 13 to 14 hours and some times more than that inorder to go to onsite to Germany . I lost my social life . everyday I just woke I go to office comes home and then sleep . boring life . Like this around 3 years passed and finally I heard the good news from my PM that they are sending me to GERMANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I was very excited . I heard many things about Germany from many people . Every one said Germany is paradise for automotive and mechanical field . Now finally my hard work was about to pay off . I landed Munich airport on october 5th 2011 . Most memorable day of my life .The experience was exciting , thrilling Itseems like iam on cloud 9 . he he he . As I came for work I need to concentrate more on my work in order to make my position fix here he he he but stil I planned to enjoy a lot. He he he .
    First 15 days in Germany :
    I landed at munich airport . I loved the first breeze that touched me when I kept my first leg on munich (place in Germany) land . I liked a bit crowded munich airport . I felt like I will never be alone since there are so many people here since iam iam visiting foreign country for first time . So many people to help. So many people to make friendship .So many places to enjoy and so much office work to do not to forget he he he . first 2 days were full of joy .but later I found that Germany was not much friendly to international people . I faced biggest problem of language , its really very very hard to communicate with people in English since most of the Germany people prefer speaking in in their native language . Most People treat international people as some one from zoo . Initially they look at you as if they came to watch animal in zoo. They observe many things about you most of time you may not notice . They just smile and walk away , few gossips if they don’t have any other work to do and few mischiefs comment . I agree that if you go to a new country like this many things are common . but for every thing there is a limit . compared to u.s and u.k here discrimination is very much ( i can say this since I have my sister and her in laws stay in u.s ) . Then slowly after few few days I got used to this type of attitude . But stil a person having self respect wil some times get hurt due to this behavior . Even for accommodation to take a home or flat for rent its very hard to get since most of german people don’t trust easily any international people . luckily my accommodation was provided by my company he he he . Any indian who prefers eating spicy food surely Germany is not a great place for you . YOU WILL NOT LIKE THE FOOD SERVED HERE . like in u.s you don’t usually get indian food easily . So I got sick ? very frequently. And most of the people here hate food served here .Then started work load .And I was tired working late hours so initial few days I dint travelled or romed any part of Germany .
    later days in Germany :
    Once I lost my way and it was very hard to figure out the correct path . I tried to ask few people but I found them very unfriendly to help . Many just don’t respond to you knowing you are not from European country .I walked for 2 hours to know the correct path and in night even I planned to sleep under a bench near roadside but luckily I found a nice indian person who helped me to reach my company’s flat . Most People here don’t care much to help any international people . There are many incidents that took place in past few months . but since it will get boring to read iam summarizing points .
    Conclusion :
    Language is biggest barrier .
    Food is not good , you will get bored and quick sick
    Many good places to visit but also very costly he he he he
    Climate is very nice
    Many cases of robbery , theft and abuses especially to international people ( I want to mention word Indians but people in this blog will start arguing thats why not saying he he he)
    Most of Native people are not so friendly
    Technology wise its very nice . very much developed .Paradise for nerds and people who want to do research work . its not nice for an average person who wants to enjoy life like me and many others who want to make a balnce between enjoyment and work .
    Not easy to get accommodation .
    A bit difficult to do shopping .
    You will make good bucks but its very hard to save here . iam telling this by keeping in mind a normal person spending habits ( i.e after listening to lifes of around 12 peoples out of which some where my colleagues and some neighbours and from my personal opinion)
    Immigration rules are very strict .
    Traffic and other government rules are very rigid . Frequently you may get fined .
    You will feel like a bird captured in golden cage called ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY he he he .
    INSHORT IAM REGRETTING WHY I DID 3 YEARS OF HARDWORK TO GO TO ONSITE FOR A COUNTRY LIKE GERMANY . I WOULD HAVE GONE TO U.S OR AUSTRALIA AND MADE GOOD BUCKS ALONG WITH THAT ENJOYED LIFE MORE COMPARED TO HERE . BEST PART WAS I LEARNT NEW THINGS TECHNOLOGY WISE BUT I GUESS SAME TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE IN U.S .
    P.S : sincere request to people reading this comment .” MOST OF YOU WILL AT ANY POINT WHILE READING THIS POST WILL RELATE THIS TO YOURSELF SINCE MOST OF THIS THINGS HAPPENED WITH YOU PEOPLE ALSO IF YOU ONCE VISITED GERMANY ….BUT YOU PEOPLE WILL NOT AGREE TO THIS I GUESS MAY BE …IF YES THEN PLEASE DON’T ARGUE ON THIS POST POINTING ANY POINT SINCE IT IS MY EXPERIENCE , AND ALONG WITH THAT EXPERIENCE OF MANY OF MY FRIENDS . I CAN EXPLAIN EACH POINT WITH EXAMPLES , PLACES WHERE IT HAPPENED ALONG WITH PEOPLE WITH WHOM IT HAPPENED TO PROVE MY WORDS . AND ANY POINT OF MY COMMENT NOT WHOLELY SAYS THAT ANY PEOPLE ARE BAD OR ALL GERMANS ARE BAD I AM POINTING ONLY TO PEOPLE THAT I MET . I MET WITH GOOD PEOPLE ALSO, THERE ARE MANY GOOD PEOPLE ALSO . BUT IN GENERAL I DESCRIBED BASED ON PEOPLE I MET AND INCIDENTS IN MY LIFE AND MY FRIENDS .

  16. shashank on May 10, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    hi everybody..A very interesting topic indeed.I would like to share, I just got selected for a paper technology course in Munich University of Applied Sciences a day before.I was a little shocked on the headlines of the post but quite relieved to read the comments posted by you guys..

  17. Clement BAGAZA on May 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Descrimination is not good, but wherever you go in this world once it is not your home country you will face such problems, the difference is the level of descrimination and is the gouvernment real fight against it or not. Student who go to study abroad they have to know why they are there gain knowledge and go back to their home country to develop their countries for the next generations not to face the same problems. Even in china thou the rules are serious but descrimination is there for foreigner students.

  18. Sahiba on May 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Germany is safe place… compared to other schengen places… have experienced both good n bad at germany… but on the whole people are helpful… bad experience: i reached my hotel on very first day not aware of customs/ culture… they serve toast for the customers on first visit… d lady asked me whther i wud like to have something… i was cold so i asked for coffee. I got doubt whether they will get coffee at room or i shud have coffee first and then proceed towards my room.. when i asked my doubt…one among two ladies got annoyed. since then she dint serve or reply to me properly… I am still puzzled was my question that bad. Good experience…I had to catch a train towards frankfurt…where i had to get down at one place and catch another train towards frankfurt… there were only 5 mins for me to catch another train.. unaware language… was not able to make out which platform i was heading… this guy standing on platform helped me get on right place at right coach. was so thankful to him i was running out of time.. had flight to catch.

  19. harman grewal on May 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    i think language is a big factor in making decisions regarding studying and settling. My cousins live in germany and there they teach english very late in school and their parents are more keen to send them to england to study further as they know english is more important in international market.

  20. Krishna on May 9, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    Bullshit Crap !! posted here .. Education quality is fantastic as well as there 0% discrimination !! i am studying here in GErmany .. at JLU Giessen,Germany.

    • HSB on May 9, 2012 at 1:45 PM

      I have posted that was the result of the Survey – Expert Council of German Foundations on Integration and Migration (SVR).

  21. Anurag on May 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    My brother stays in Germany. He is absolutely fine. He stays in south germany. Considerable discrimination can be seen in North side of germany. However, discrimination might be less when we compare the same in Australia/USA/etc. We have all seen the level of racism in Australia in the media. So, germany is safe.

  22. Shobhit on May 9, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Hello

    I have been doing my internship here since 3 and half months and haven’t experienced any such acts. I have many such events to share where these people helped me like anything.
    Its like you have some mischievous people everywhere and you can’t expect 100% of the population to be of same mentality.
    Just sharing one of the occasion:

    On very 1st day I took the wrong ticket from the Frankfurt airport. I was supposed to go to Friedrichtal( Baden) and I didn’t knew that there are more than 10 places by the name of Friedrichtal just thebracket name differs. So, I went 150 kms farther from my destination and I later came ot know that the place was somewhere in the black forest. The place where DDLJ was shot. It was -10 degree and no person around , no phone around to call anyone. Plus I was dragging 4 bags along with me because I was directly coming from airport and believe me sliding it on ice was like getting very tough. So, after walking for 2 hour, I knocked few houses for help, but since it was very secluded I was hesitating in doing something like that. Had no water ,no food since last 14 hours. But it was fun. But finally to my surprise, a car stopped. the German husband and wife asked me that what was wrong and after hearing to everything they took me to a tourist center 3 kms far from there, arranged for the tickets so that I may go back to the place where I intended to. They escorted me till the station and as I was having so much luggage, kept my luggage in the train too. They could have easily passed by in this chilling weather. They spent time , energy just for my sake. They said it was their duty to welcome and protect the people who come from other country.

    There have been many occasions like this about which I hear from my friends who are pursuing their masters here. Even if they don’t know they help you like anything. If you are at wrong place at the wrong time, in any country you will face such people.

    Plus its education is extremely good and hard. Few people might face some problems with the language but now a days generally most of the working people know English, though not very well.

    • HSB on May 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

      Thanks for sharing. Man.. I know how it would feel when you are middle of no where.

  23. Mustafizur on May 9, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    “Many students find it difficult to understand the complex immigration rules ( changes are coming soon) and 39.4% reported discrimination.”

    May I know the source of this survey result ???

    I do not agree with this. By the way, the new rules are meant to ease the immigration rules. For example – Previously one could get a work permit for 12 months after completing their masters in Germany. The new law will increase this period to 18 months. The new laws are also meant to relax the immigration rules to attract highly skilled foreign workers. More details here (In German, please use tools like google translate) –

    http://www.kooperation-international.de/detail/info/daad-begruesst-verbesserungen-im-aufenthaltsrecht.html

    Personally speaking, I have many friends studying in Germany and all of them have opinion that it’s one of the best place to do your masters – no discrimination whatsoever. Moreover there are excellent job opportunities after completion of a master degree in Germany.

    Comments are welcome.

    • Sreyasi on May 11, 2012 at 1:26 AM

      Hi!
      I have been applying at German Universities for Masters in Winter 2012. Can you give me an idea about Saarland University? I got an admit from there for M.Sc. in Language Science and Technology.
      Will be great if you can help! 🙂

  24. Raj on May 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    “However, while 4 out of 5 international students wanted to stay, live and work in Germany after graduation. Rest of the students return home.”

    Rest of the students from 4 out of 5 is 1… so the ratio seems to be higher than those who want to return.. Its not making any sense to me, was that a typo error?

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